The IT Skeptic - Comments for "PRINCE2 2009 refresh spookily familiar to ITIL users"

PRINCE2:2005 vs. 2009

George Brooke — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:31:00 +0000

Hi,
for my own sanity and as a way of addressing the changes between the two editions I have produced a document which addresses the limitations of 2005 and shows how 2009 overcomes (most) of them. It is available at http://www.oaklodgeconsulting.co.uk/Articles.htm, where you will find the PRINCE2:2009 article as well as several others looking at PRINCE and project issues.
if you have questions of comments please feel free to send them to me

George

Prince2:2009 out now

skeptic — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:47:31 +0000

The first half of Prince2:2009, Managing Successful Projects with PRINCE2™, is available now, ahead of the official June 16th release. Yours for only seventy five quid.

Groan

JamesFinister — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 10:28:18 +0000

"3 months to 'convert' from old to new is a bit short "

Well PRINCE did used to be PROMPT.

Sorry.

James

Poor non-english speakers

pjotrg — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:49:17 +0000

Indeed it has a sort of "déjà vu". And....eeeeeh...did anyone ask for this update (aside OCG and APMG)

3 months to 'convert' from old to new is a bit short ;-) And what about translations? ITIL V3 is still not yet translated in all languages that were available in V2
PRINCE2 translations were even slower. THE BOOK (version 2005) has only very recently been translated into French. For sake of non-communication between workers in international companies they decided to even translate the key words in French. We discovered 15 years ago in The Netherlands that this is highly inconvenient.

OK, now we have PRINCE 2-and-a-half (why not PRINCE3 ? ). How long wil this take to be translated info French, German, Spanish, Arab, Japanese etc?

Indeed, OGC and APMG should re-read (or perhaps read ;-) ) the paragraphs in the PRINCE2 (2005) book about "Lessons learned". And....apply what they have learned.

PRINCE2:2009 is due June 16th

skeptic — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:12:12 +0000

...according to the Man Himself

APMG's idea of "not a major difference"

skeptic — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 04:02:00 +0000

So "there will not be a major difference between the 2005 and 2009 versions of PRINCE2" huh?

Check out the excellent FAQ over at www.crazycolour.co.uk:

2005

2009

Principles

none

7 Principles

Themes

8 Components

7 Key Themes

Processes

8 Processes

7 Processes

Sub-processes

45 sub-processes

none

Techniques

3 techniques

Cross-references to other Bodys of knowledge including ‘soft’ aspects

Management Products

36 products

27 products

The Project Environment

nothing

Content rich

Trouble shooting

Hints & Tips

Hints & Tips in FAQ style

The "Planning" Process has disappeared, Product based planning has been removed as a chapter.
...
the language in PRINCE2 is changing. This means that if your company is already training people in PRINCE2 (2005 version) then it might be a good idea to train your remaining staff in that version to avoid having a mixed language

Strewth, it's not as if APMG haven't just been through all this. Even ITIL V3 didn't attempt to change the existing terminology! "Not a major difference", my donkey!!

	2005	2009
Principles	none	7 Principles
Themes	8 Components	7 Key Themes
Processes	8 Processes	7 Processes
Sub-processes	45 sub-processes	none
Techniques	3 techniques	Cross-references to other Bodys of knowledge including ‘soft’ aspects
Management Products	36 products	27 products
The Project Environment	nothing	Content rich
Trouble shooting	Hints & Tips	Hints & Tips in FAQ style